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Official Newsletter of the Battle of Midway Roundtable

 

27 May 2011

Issue Number:  2011-13

Our 14th Year

 

 

 

~ AROUND THE TABLE ~

 

MEMBERS’ TOPICS IN THIS ISSUE:

 

1.  Why So Few Photos From Midway Atoll?

2.  Hypo Photos in Naval Aviation News

 

 

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1.  WHY SO FEW PHOTOS FROM MIDWAY ATOLL?   ( See issue #12 )

 

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20 May 2011

From:  SFC Edgar R. Fox, USA-Ret

Missouri

BOM vet, Pvt., 6th MarDefBn, Midway

 

Regarding the subject of why there are so few photographs from Midway before or after the BOM, one must realize that the most affordable and popular camera of the period was the box Brownie.  Not many of us carried such a cumbersome item around in our 782 gear.

 

In fact, I never did see a camera of any type until some [ranking officer] came on the island after the BOM with his own public information officer carrying a Leica 35 MM.
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2.  HYPO PHOTOS IN NAVAL AVIATION NEWS   ( see Featured Link, issue #12 )

 

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20 May 2011

From:  James M. Hanford

Michigan

 

After looking at the .pdf file from the latest newsletter link, I concluded that better versions (for downloading) of the photos of the crypto and intelligence analysts are posted in the album "Codebreakers" in the Shattered Sword Yahoo group.  It is our goal to make this Yahoo group the premier source for BOM photos—a worthy companion site to the BOMRT.

 

We also have many of the LIFE photos taken on board the Enterprise in various albums, as well as numerous sidebars to the BOM, such as "The Aleutians Feint" and photos that I plan to post tomorrow of French Frigate Shoals (“Operation K”).

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Ed. note:  to see the Hypo photos Jim mentions, go to our Links page and click “Shattered Sword Yahoo Group” at the bottom.  If you’re not registered in the group, click “Join This Group” at the right.  Once you’re registered, click “Photos” in the menu at the left, then click the “Codebreakers” album.  (The log-in name and password you select will be usable in all other Yahoo groups.)

 

 

 

 

 

~ NOW HEAR THIS! ~

 

NEWS & INFO IN THIS ISSUE:

 

-  BOM Veteran Statistics

-  Memorial Day Message for BOM Vets

-  Featured Link

-  Editor’s Notes

 

 

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BOM VETERAN STATISTICS

 

This past week, I was asked by a Navy Medical Corps official in Washington for the number of BOM veterans who are alive today.  I responded that, so far as I know, there is no organization that maintains such data.  But I made an attempt at an approximate answer, based on the following.  Be aware that I did this without referring to any references, so these numbers are generously described as educated guesses:

 

Personnel engaged in the BOM, including non-combatants with direct involvement:

 

Comm Intel, Pearl Harbor & Melbourne:  100

CINCPAC (ADM Nimitz + staff):  30

Midway Atoll (Marines, Navy, AAF):  4000

TF 17 (Yorktown plus screening vessels):  8000

TF 16 (Enterprise, Hornet, plus screening vessels):  12,000

Other TFs (submarines, aux vessels, etc):  4000

Patrol/search flights from other islands:  200

TOTAL ENGAGED:  28,330

 

Some number of those did not survive the war and it's impossible to know how many.  Based on attrition in the air groups and the ultimate sinking of ships like Hornet and Astoria, maybe there were 25,000 alive at the end of the war.  According to an estimate that I saw somewhere about surviving WW2 veterans, the overall figure is something like one-third.  If that’s applicable to 25,000 BOM vets who survived the war, then something like 8000 or so are still with us today.

 

I’d be interested in all comments on this subject, especially if you have better data than my estimates above.  —RR  

 

 

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MEMORIAL DAY MESSAGE FOR BOM VETS

 

As an appropriate followup to the above topic, here’s my annual message to our BOM veterans in connection with the observance of Memorial Day.  General MacArthur said, “old soldiers never die, they just fade away.”  I say balderdash!  Old soldiers (and sailors, airmen, Marines, etc.) do die and they don’t have to fade away.  Every year around Memorial Day I run a plea for each of our BOM vets to ensure that someone in his family or circle of friends and associates will notify the Roundtable in the event of his passing, so that he can be properly memorialized on what is surely the world’s best-subscribed gathering of individuals from all walks of life who honor our Midway veterans.

 

So here is that important reminder for all of you who are the heart of this entire organization: please take a moment now to be certain that someone in your family or among your acquaintances knows how to contact me, and that he/she will actually do so when the time comes.  No one needs to follow General MacArthur into a faded oblivion—with a little help from you and someone you know, we’ll ensure that it doesn’t happen here.

 

My full contact info is found at the end of each “new message” announcement that you receive in your e-mail.  —RR

 

 

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FEATURED LINK

 

Here’s an interesting Yorktown photo that’s also featured on the Shattered Sword Yahoo Group mentioned above.  This is a close-up from a very familiar BOM photo, and it shows 3 items of interest.  One is the ship’s CXAM “bedspring” radar antenna.  Two, note the two black signal balls flying on both the port and starboard side of the foremast, indicating that the ship is dead in the water.  And three, note the flag, and remember those legends about “battle flags” and “all flags flying” on the Yorktown as it sank.  Now you know what flag was really there.

 

Click here for the featured link.

 

For the details of the “flag” legends, see pages 208-210 in No Right to Win.

 

 

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EDITOR’S NOTES

 

 

~  VS-6 vet Dusty Kleiss was interviewed this week by KSAT-TV in San Antonio, in connection with Memorial Day observances.  Click here for Dusty’s comments.

 

~  The USN-USAF Joint Base Charleston will host a BOM 69th anniversary commemoration aboard the USS Yorktown (CV-10) museum ship at Charleston, SC, at 11:00 AM on Friday, June 3rd.  Click here for more information.

 

~  The Navy Information Operations Command at Ft. Gordon, Georgia (near Augusta) will conduct a BOM anniversary celebration at noon on Friday, June 3rd.  The event is open to everyone.  For more information, call Gary Struble on 706-791-0170.

 

~  Here’s another article on the Navy’s commemoration at the Naval Memorial in Washington, DC, to be held on June 3rd.  The article includes a brief write-up on the five veterans slated to participate, one of whom is the Marine Corps navigator discussed in the past two issues.  Click here.

 

~  Roundtable member Alan Zimm has a new book out on the Pearl Harbor attack, and no, it doesn’t simply retell that much-told story.  Instead, the focus on this one is an analytical examination of Japanese planning and execution of the operation—what went right, what went wrong, and what easily could have happened differently.  I’ll have a full review in a subsequent issue, but meanwhile you can read Roundtable member Will O’Neil’s comments on Amazon—click here.

 

~  Also, Roundtable member and Annapolis historian Craig Symonds has a new BOM book coming out later this year, and that one will also get a full review in an upcoming issue of our newsletter.  Here’s the Amazon announcement.