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Official Newsletter of the Battle of Midway Roundtable

 

4 April 2011

Issue Number:  2011-08

Our 14th Year

 

 

 

~ AROUND THE TABLE ~

 

MEMBERS’ TOPICS IN THIS ISSUE:

 

1.  Japanese Estimates of USN Aircraft Combat Radius

2.  World War 2 History Site

 

 

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1.  JAPANESE ESTIMATES OF USN AIRCRAFT COMBAT RADIUS   ( see issues #6 and 7 )

 

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23 March 2011

From:  Lu Yu

Iowa

 

I appreciate the comments from Jonathan Parshall, Barrett Tillman and Scott Smith, which helped to clear some of my confusion.
 
Regarding the usage of statute mile vs. nautical mile, Jon's opinion is what I thought, that is, both navies use nautical mile as their unit.  My confusion actually comes from the unit used for aircraft's performance, e.g., range, combat radius and speed.  Sometimes I see miles used and sometimes nautical miles.  For speed, some use MPH and others use knots.  It seems to me that "mile" can mean "statute mile" in some situations.
 
I agree that combat radius of aircraft is not a solid number and depends on many factors.  Even though the Japanese might have got some intelligence on American aircraft's performance through pre-war effort or lessons from Coral Sea, it should not have been considered as solid data and should have been used with caution.
 
Given the above light, I now tend to believe that the "combat radius and distance" issue as in Senshi Sosho is more or less an excuse for Nagumo and his staff's tactical blunder.  Had they really been concerned about this issue, they should have noticed the following events and facts:
 
(1)  From 0755 to 0810, Henderson's SBD-2s from Midway attacked Hiryu and several bombs were dropped.  The SBD is a carrier-based plane.  At that time, Nagumo had received Tone #4's initial report, so he knew that at least some American warships were nearby.  He should have considered the possibility that these SBDs were launched from a carrier. [Note 1]
 
(2)  At 0855 Tone #4 search plane sent a message to Nagumo, "10 enemy attack planes heading for you."  Given Tone #4's position at that time, these planes could only have been launched from a carrier.  They were actually VT-3.  This message should have given Nagumo a warning that their calculation about the "combat radius and distance" issue was not correct.
 
(3)  Just after Kido Butai changed course at 0917 to 070 degrees, VT-8 began their attack.  They were carrier-based torpedo planes.  This is another warning for Nagumo.  Then at 0940 VT-6 began their attack.  Yet another warning that not only their calculation of "combat radius and distance" was wrong but their estimated number (one) of American carriers was probably also wrong.  Nevertheless, Kido Butai kept a north-northeast course toward American carriers reported position, except when American torpedo plane attacks forced them to take evasive maneuver.
 
(4)  The Japanese carrier-based aircraft have considerable advantage on range and combat radius over their American counterparts.  A typical mixed Japanese "attack wave" could be launched from some 240 nm away. [Note 2]  After all, longer range was among the Japanese main goals when they designed their aircraft.  However, Nagumo failed to take this advantage.  Taking Tone #4's reported position at face value (some 210 nm from Kido Butai), there was still no reason to close the distance.  Nagumo could have put Kido Butai at a distance where he could launch and recover attacks and the Americans couldn't attack him effectively.  It is true that carriers at that time often steamed toward the target after launching attack planes, in order to reduce the returning distance for the attack planes.  (Nagumo, Fletcher and Spruance all did it at Midway.)  But Nagumo was nowhere near launching at 0830 or 0917 and nor was he at any time before his 3 carriers were fatally bombed around 1025.  In hindsight, Nagumo's choice of Kido Butai's course is almost the worst he could have done.
 
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[1]  It is possible that during the heat of the battle, people on board Akagi failed to notice the plane type of those SBDs and people on board Hiryu, being under direct attack, noticed it.  This is one possible reason why Yamaguchi urged an "immediate launch" of attack planes around 0830. 


[2]  The A6M2 Type 21 Zero fighter has a much greater combat radius than 240 nm.  I have no direct data for D3A1 and B5N2.  As a reference, according to Akagi's action report, her carrier bomber unit for attack on Midway assembled and started from 31-12N 179-30E, 242 nm from Midway.  Kaga's and Soryu's report gives their carrier's position at 0445 as 31-26N 179-40W (this position is inconsistent with Kido Butai's course track in Nagumo Report), 228 nm from Midway.  Also, at Pearl Harbor the first attack wave were launched some 230 nm north of Oahu.

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24 March 2011

From:  CDR Alan D. Zimm, USN-Ret

Maryland

 

With regards to the discussion regarding the calculation of combat radius, the  Naval War College has a collection of documents from the period 1927-1946 that  supported the wargaming program.  If I recall correctly, BuAir calculated combat  radius as follows:

 

§         Beginning with full tanks 15 minutes at idle for warmup

§         15 minutes at full military power for launch and join-up at altitude

§         Cruise to target at maximum range cruising speed, ~75% VMax (max cruise,  that  speed that would allow the aircraft to cover the longest distance)

§         30 minutes full military power over the target

§         Return to base at max cruise

§         30 minutes orbit over carrier awaiting landing, at max endurance speed, ~60%  VMax (max endurance—that speed that would keep the aircraft in the air for the  longest time)

§         30 minutes reserve fuel at max endurance.

 

(The above figures are from memory—if someone needs verification I'd have to  dig through my notes.)  According to a NWC Maneuver Rules data sheet dated December 1942, fuel  consumption for the F4F-4 was 24 gallons per hour at max endurance, 45 gallons  per hour at max cruise, 120 gallons per hour at full military power, for an  aircraft fully fueled.  Fuel capacity was 260 gallons.  Endurance at max cruise was 3.4 hours, 1.2 hours at military power, 6.5 hours at max endurance.

 

Considering that the above calculation has the aircraft at full military power for 45 minutes, a calculation of about 100 nm combat radius is understandable.  It is also understandable that if you cut fuel consumption as soon as  possible after launch, and employ military power sparingly over the target, and if the deck is efficient and lands the aircraft, and cut  into the reserve, that the combat radius could be extended considerably, albeit  with risk of fuel exhaustion if things did not go right, particularly over the  target.

 

Another factor was formation flying—leaders could leave their throttles set while wingmen generally had to jockey their throttles back and forth to maintain formation, and this cut into the wingmen's fuel efficiency.  At Midway, with the  fighters forced to do S-turns over the slower bombers to remain in company, not  only were the fighters traveling a longer distance per mile of advance, but they  also had the additional drag from the turns, which would cut back on fuel  efficiency.

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2.  WORLD WAR 2 HISTORY SITE

 

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21 February 2011

From:  Barrett Tillman

Arizona

Author, Clash of the Carriers; Whirlwind

 

http://www.worldwar2history.info/
 
I came across this site by while searching for something else (my preferred method of finding stuff, it seems).  Much or most appears to be "WW2 101" for non-experts, but contains some useful info for anyone.  The Medal of Honor citations are organized geographically.
 
Other portions include elite forces, the National WW2 Memorial, D-Day links, Burma Road, etc.  There's also a Wikitree link devoted to interviewing WW2 vets.
 
An extensive section on code breaking for Midway: http://www.worldwar2history.info/Midway/Doolittle.html
 
There's a bibliography link, apparently generated by viewers:  http://www.worldwar2history.info/books/

 

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~ NOW HEAR THIS! ~

 

NEWS & INFO IN THIS ISSUE:

 

-  IJN Attack on Syndey

-  Featured Link

-  Editor’s Notes

 

 

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IJN ATTACK ON SYDNEY

 

It’s now well known that one of the principal reasons for the failure of Admiral Yamamoto’s Midway plan was the wide separation of Japanese forces, such that the various elements could not support each other.  Here’s yet another example of “what might have been” at Midway for the Japanese: five of their big submarines, two equipped with midget subs, making a nuisance attack on the harbor at Sydney, Australia just four days before the BOM.  To see an excellent animated graphic program detailing the attack, click this link (with thanks to Barrett Tillman).

 

With the singular exception of I-168, the Japanese subs committed to Midway did nothing to help their cause.  Would that have been true if five more of their best boats had been on the scene?

 

 

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FEATURED LINK

 

Here’s an interesting You-Tube video clip showing a wartime newsreel report of the BOM.  The announcer says that it shows actual film from the battle, but keep your expectations low.  There are some dramatic scenes of what may be the burning Mikuma, but the rest of it is stock footage, some of it pre-BOM, as evidenced by the rudder stripes on a cruiser floatplane.  Another giveaway is the Betty flying past U.S. ships while the narrator speaks of our planes on their way to attack the enemy fleet.

 

But that’s all okay; it’s still a good example of what was produced and shown to the public during the war.

 

Click here.

 

 

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EDITOR’S NOTES

 

~  A few members have reported favorable results with the test of our new on-line search tool, and we’re still looking for additional comments, pro or con.  Please give it a try and then let us know your results—see issue #6 for more details.

 

~  The Navy’s annual BOM commemoration at the Navy Memorial in Washington, D.C. will be conducted on Thursday, June 2nd.  More details will follow as the date gets closer.

 

~  The Naval Post Graduate School at Monterey, California will hold its annual BOM event on June 4th.  For more info, check this website.

 

~  I’m happy to report that Naval Institute Press has agreed to publish Elliot Carlson’s long-awaited biography of Hypo’s Joseph Rochefort.  I had an opportunity to assist Elliot with some proofreading and editing of his manuscript, and I can tell you that this will be a very, very good book, one that gives the light of day to the story of Hypo and its commander like you’ve never before imagined.  Look for Joe Rochefort’s War to come out around next October.